Mother branded as abuser for telling daughter of caesarean
Daniel Foggo From The Sunday Times March 7, 2010
SOCIAL WORKERS have placed the five-year-old daughter of a professional couple on the child protection register for “emotional abuse” after the mother told the girl she was delivered by caesarean.
Other allegations against the mother include cuddling her daughter for too long when dropping her off at nursery.
The intervention by Birmingham social services prompted the mother, Shahnaz Malik, to go into hiding with her daughter, Amaani, for two months, fearing the girl would be taken away.
An alert was put out to all British ports, and police conducted raids on a string of properties in the West Midlands. Two weeks ago police battered down the door of the family’s home in an apartment block in an attempt to find Amaani. She had been moved elsewhere by her mother, but her father, Vijay Bansal, 42, an IT consultant, was later arrested and held in a cell overnight for “obstructing” the search.
Officers also seized Malik’s car, took toothbrushes from the bathroom to analyse for DNA and raided the homes of relatives in the middle of the night, looking for the mother and girl.
“This whole case is madness as there is no reason for the state to be involved in this little girl’s life in this way,” said John Hemming, a Birmingham MP who campaigns against abuses by the family courts.
“The problem is that the system is using massive aggression to deal with the mother’s refusal to respond to a set of frankly silly concerns.”
The council’s actions follow criticism of it by a judge for showing gross lack of judgment in failing to stop seven-year-old Khyra Ishaq starving to death. Care workers did not think she warranted being placed on the at-risk register.
The problems started after Amaani began to attend a private nursery last September.Within weeks, friction developed between Malik and staff, who said the girl bit her nails and had been overheard swearing at a teacher.
Malik, who has a masters degree in social policy, said last week: “We never swear at home, so she must have picked up the words at nursery. She told me she did swear at the nursery teacher because she was grabbed very hard by her.”
When Malik withdrew Amaani from the nursery, she was told by a health visitor that their case was being referred to social services.
“I went to a solicitor, who said the grabbing of Amaani’s arm was an assault, so I decided to make a complaint to the police,” Malik said.
However, she felt the police were uninterested in her complaint and wanted to speak to Amaani alone — which Malik refused to allow.
A few days later her husband was called in by officers. “The police asked me if my wife has mental health problems. I said, ‘Absolutely not’,” Bansal said.
“They said, ‘There are allegations coming from the nursery’. They said, ‘Someone overheard your wife saying to your daughter she had her stomach cut open to deliver Amaani’.”
Bansal said the police also told him that his wife cuddled Amaani for 10-15 minutes when dropping her off at the nursery. “I said, ‘No mother wants to leave her child screaming’.
“Then they said that when my wife and daughter had been in the police station, Amaani had turned to the officers and said, ‘Hello, pigs.’ But at that point Amaani liked watching Peppa Pig. She calls me ‘Daddy Pig’ and she calls her mother ‘Mummy Pig’.”
Social workers told the family they wanted to hold a child protection conference.
Malik said: “We decided not to attend or engage with them since we could see they had made their minds up already.”
In January, Birmingham council notified the family that Amaani was subject to a child protection plan for “emotional abuse”. Although she would be allowed to live at home, social workers would make unannounced visits.
Malik said: “I had only told Amaani about how she was born because I believe in telling the truth and she had thought her daddy gave birth to her. I don’t see how that is evidence of emotional abuse.”
She added: “I was getting worried that they would come and take Amaani so I moved out with her and stayed with friends.”
Her husband remained at home but was taken to hospital with a heart condition two weeks ago. The next morning he received a message from the concierge at their block of flats saying the police had entered their two-bedroom apartment.
“I had to basically discharge myself from the hospital to come and sort it out,” he said. A few days later he was arrested and placed in a cell while officers looked for Amaani.
The girl was finally presented to the authorities last Thursday. She was allowed to return home.
Birmingham council has declined to comment, citing confidentiality.
Is this ""Controversial"" or just plain socialist BS? Notice the same story has two different titles! The one formatted for printing is titled "Child care or nanny state?"
Child care or nanny state? Published: 2010/03/09 16:57:52 GMT
By Daniel Thomas BBC News, Birmingham
A family which defied child protection authorities has made headlines in recent days, but not for the usual reasons.
"Mother branded as abuser for telling daughter of Caesarean," warned The Sunday Times.
"Mother accused of 'emotional abuse' for telling daughter of Caesarean," echoed The Daily Telegraph.
It was the story of 41-year-old Birmingham mother and masters graduate Shahnaz Malik.
In late January she disappeared off the radar with her five-year-old daughter after the child was put on a Child Protection Plan; the suspected victim of "emotional abuse".
On 19 February the family was due to attend a Child Protection Conference.
When they failed to turn up, their apartment was raided by police over concern for the child's welfare.
The father was later arrested for obstruction, but the mother and child had long gone. And they haven't come back.
'Stomach cut open'
The headlines were not incorrect. Questions about a conversation on Caesareans between mother and child did crop up during police inquiries.
In December, Ms Malik made a complaint to police against her child's nursery, claiming a teacher had grabbed her daughter's arm too hard.
Following that, IT consultant husband Vijay Bansal, 42, was called into Birmingham Ladywood police station and asked a series of questions.
He told the BBC: "They told me 'somebody at the nursery has heard your wife tell your daughter she has had her stomach cut open'."
He added: "They also said 'your wife was cuddling her daughter for 10-15 minutes'."
Ms Malik freely accepts she told the child about Caesarean birth, and once hugged her child for a long time at the nursery gates.
"I was trying to find a way of leaving my child in an amicable way," she said.
So, a Child Protection Plan - which places the child on what used to be known as the "at risk" register - for hugging a child and telling her about Caesareans?
'Challenging behaviour'
Well... "no", says the committee which reviewed her case.
By her own admission Ms Malik has suffered a strained relationship with Birmingham City Council Children's Social Care.
She made a complaint against a health visitor and refused to attend some meetings, including the one which put her daughter in the Child Protection Plan.
“ [The child] has been observed by both health and nursery staff to have very challenging behaviour and difficulties interacting and engaging ” Child Protection Conference Minutes Birmingham City Council refuses to discuss individual, ongoing cases, but in case documents seen by the BBC, a GP reported the child was "unruly," adding Ms Malik did not intervene when the child misbehaved.
Nursery staff said the child expressed "very challenging behaviour" and swore.
In notes produced by the Child Protection Conference, West Midlands Police describe Ms Malik as "manipulative and overpowering" when making complaints about the nursery - complaints which were later dropped.
There are also concerns over the child's education, with Ms Malik saying she is not currently willing to put her child into a conventional school.
Past mistakes
But many people say the child is not in any serious danger, the concerns are minor and the council overcautious.
Indeed, Liberal Democrat MP for Birmingham Yardley, John Hemming, called the case "trivial," and Ms Malik rejects many of the allegations.
Behind the "nanny state versus victimised family" claims, the case is one of many which represent the tightrope care services increasingly feel they must walk when dealing with children.
“ It can be a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. ” Colin Tucker, Birmingham City Council And Birmingham City Council has more reason than most to be sensitive.
Last month its children's services were savaged by a High Court Judge following the death of Khyra Ishaq.
Seven-year-old Khyra was starved to death by her mother and stepfather while she was meant to be being tutored at home.
Then, Birmingham was pilloried for not doing enough for Khyra. Now the same department risks being too interfering when death is not a threat.
Director for Children's Social Care at Birmingham City Council, Colin Tucker, said: "It can be a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
"People want to portray things as black and white but the reality in social care is that we are dealing with very complex situations.
"Staff are trained to focus on the needs and welfare of children first and foremost and this does not always coincide with the views of the parents."
Since Khyra's death in 2008, there has been an increase in referrals to Children's Social Care of between 35 and 40%, according to the council.
Police concern
Birmingham City Council said some 22,000 cases of abuse are referred each year in the city, and at any one time 1,400 children are subject of Child Protection Plans.
On Thursday Ms Malik's child was presented to police by her brother. In that instance the girl was allowed to return to her mother.
West Midlands Police have written to John Hemming MP to say they still have concerns Ms Malik may continue to avoid contact with social services and try to leave the country.
"If contact is made with social services," the email reads, "then the police have no further role to play."
Yet it remains the role social services plays which is in dispute, with views of their actions ranging from heavy-handed to callous.
Getting it wrong, in either direction, leaves behind a devastation far more serious than any headline.
KBW > Two different sources, two different titles. KBW > Nothing amiss about it, really.
The exact same article by the exact same author with two different titles. Even more bizarre is that if you click for printable version THAT has a different title than the the online (supposedly non-printable) version.
Kent, Which of these was not written by Daniel Thomas of the BBC?
Page last updated at 16:57 GMT, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 Controversy of mother who told girl of Caesarean By Daniel Thomas BBC News, Birmingham Shahnaz Malik says she is being made to feel "like a criminal" A family which defied child protection authorities has made headlines in recent days, but not for the usual reasons.
Child care or nanny state? Published: 2010/03/09 16:57:52 GMT By Daniel Thomas BBC News, Birmingham Shahnaz Malik says she is being made to feel "like a criminal" A family which defied child protection authorities has made headlines in recent days, but not for the usual reasons.
At one time, not so long ago, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>KBW > Two different sources, two different titles. >KBW > Nothing amiss about it, really.
>The exact same article by the exact same author >with two different titles.
Yes. Is the content of the article any different?
>Even more bizarre is that if you click for >printable version THAT has a different title >than the the online (supposedly non-printable) >version.
>Kent, Which of these was not written >by Daniel Thomas of the BBC?
Did I mention the author? Did I write anything about the writer? Tell me Greg the NON-erudite, who owns the writing of a journalist once it's printed? Yet, little Greg, that's the SOURCE. Did I not mention two different sources? So, tell us what YOU think the meaning of two different titles might be. Perhaps an attempt by the source to confuse or manipulate "Greg the PV (perpetual victim)?"
>Page last updated at 16:57 GMT, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 >Controversy of mother who told girl of Caesarean >By Daniel Thomas >BBC News, Birmingham >Shahnaz Malik says she is being made to feel "like a criminal" >A family which defied child protection authorities has made headlines >in recent days, but not for the usual reasons.
>Child care or nanny state? >Published: 2010/03/09 16:57:52 GMT >By Daniel Thomas >BBC News, Birmingham >Shahnaz Malik says she is being made to feel "like a criminal" >A family which defied child protection authorities has made headlines >in recent days, but not for the usual reasons.
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he DEMANDS be held to others):
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON (DOB 05/22/1959) CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996 Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996 Comments: CT 2 SPEED Disposition Status GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!" Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by attacking my first wife (deceased). http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on the Child Abuse registry, for example." -- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would address the most pressing problems of our day. ... " April 2000, Gregory "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon, videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?" She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."
"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed triumphantly.
--a true story
As of Monday, February 1, 2010: Financials Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN) Citation Number:
Summary Orig Paid Due COSTS 9200.00 850.00 8350.00 FINE 500.00 500.00 0.00 SURCHARGE 150.00 150.00 0.00 RESTITUTION 0.00 0.00 0.00 OTHER 0.00 0.00 0.00
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over $8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
Me: Hey, he used your standards. Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic reasoning.
Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
In MID <2afdd85e-3b16-4829-97af-ce6b0e130...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Greg writes, "I think Kent plays too many fantasy games or watches too much fantasy TV." making it very clear he thinks reality TV shows are fantasy.
At one time, not so long ago, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What part of this was good for your ego, Kent?
What part of what? You snipped the whole of the post to which you replied. Do you really fear the truth so much?
A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson (either directly or through the same standards he DEMANDS be held to others):
Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON (DOB 05/22/1959) CRIMINAL COMPLAINT 04/10/1996 Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST OTHER CITATION 04/10/1996 Comments: CT 2 SPEED Disposition Status GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT
"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!" Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by attacking my first wife (deceased). http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead
Me: "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs, Greg. Is the reason for your stalking the members of alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?
Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser: "Of course."
"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on the Child Abuse registry, for example." -- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would address the most pressing problems of our day. ... " April 2000, Gregory "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon, videos, Rhianna CD, etc.) After enduring a trip through Kmart, I was at my wits end. I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with water. Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out a full minute, with her flailing her arms. I brought her up and she gasped for air. When she'd caught her breath, I asked her, "When you were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo? Pokemon? Rhianna?" She shook her head. "What were you thinking about?" I prodded. She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."
"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed triumphantly.
--a true story
As of Monday, February 1, 2010: Financials Title: STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT Case: 06571 AGCR015216 (LINN) Citation Number:
Summary Orig Paid Due COSTS 9200.00 850.00 8350.00 FINE 500.00 500.00 0.00 SURCHARGE 150.00 150.00 0.00 RESTITUTION 0.00 0.00 0.00 OTHER 0.00 0.00 0.00
$9850.00 $1500.00 $8350.00
Yes, Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson still owes over $8000.00 related to his convictions for BEATING his ex-wife.
Me: Hey, he used your standards. Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson: It's textbook psychopathic reasoning.
Greg admitting his standards are psychopathic.
In MID <2afdd85e-3b16-4829-97af-ce6b0e130...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> Greg writes, "I think Kent plays too many fantasy games or watches too much fantasy TV." making it very clear he thinks reality TV shows are fantasy.
Notice the middle initial and the relatives. How many of ""those other"" compuelf's have the name Kent Wills and are related to Fred, Janet and Tiffany?
Kent B Wills (Age 41) Rogers, AR [ latest listing ] Ankeny, IA Marshalltown, IA Bartlett, IL Villa Park, IL Tiffany Jeanne [Wills] Hartwig (Age 36) Frederick A Wills Frederick Alfred Wills (Age 66) Janet Rae Wills (Age 63) Michael A Wills (Age 41) WILLS, KENT ROGERS, AR compue**@___.com WILLS, KENT ROGERS, AR compue**@___.com
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