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  Financial planning in general. (Moderated)
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  <updated>2010-07-29T22:06:59Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>Chip</name>
  <email>chip.a.w...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T22:06:59Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  Those last 5 are very major parts of any house (except brand new) &lt;br&gt; maintenance budget, should have them included. Probably closer to 6-7%. &lt;br&gt; I didn&#39;t do the numbers because if I don&#39;t think about the repairs, they &lt;br&gt; will fix themselves or I will learn to live with them. &lt;br&gt; Chip
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  <author>
  <name>Douglas Johnson</name>
  <email>p...@classtech.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T21:22:00Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  Some of those numbers impressed me as well. $200K for kitchen and bath remodel? &lt;br&gt; Just what are they doing? On the other hand, there are two ways to screw up &lt;br&gt; here. If you live with too much wear and tear or let kitchens and bathrooms get &lt;br&gt; too out of date, you seriously damage the value of your home.
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  <author>
  <name>dumbstruck</name>
  <email>dumbst...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T21:08:26Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  Understanding at a functional level is important, but it seems fair to &lt;br&gt; insulate yourself from knowing the gory details with packaged &lt;br&gt; products. Furthermore, if widely marketed products appear from &lt;br&gt; reputable companies, it seems fair to introduce yourself to their &lt;br&gt; offering in a naive, top down manner at first, because you are
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  <email>breadwiths...@fractious.net</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T18:56:36Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: long term using index etfs or learn fundamental analysis</title>
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  Which ones? And what kinds of strategies and asset allocations are &lt;br&gt; you talking about? &lt;br&gt; There&#39;s a difference between &amp;quot;dump all my money into an S&amp;amp;P500 (or &lt;br&gt; similar large-cap equity) fund&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;build a diversified portfolio &lt;br&gt; covering different asset classes to match my risk tolerance and time &lt;br&gt; horizon, reblance as necessary&amp;quot;. Both are strategies which could be
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  <author>
  <name>Antony</name>
  <email>spam+lisp_dot_li...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T11:20:48Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: IRA that allows individual stocks</title>
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  Thanks for all the replies. &lt;br&gt; Procrastinating... :) &lt;br&gt; -Antony
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  <author>
  <name>dapperdobbs</name>
  <email>george...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T04:41:46Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  Just in case, I&#39;m not making light of your inquiries. Understanding &lt;br&gt; your investments is a basic principle. When one tries to hedge a thin &lt;br&gt; tail without understanding how, look at the fat tail one is exposing &lt;br&gt; oneself to. It&#39;s self-defeating. IMO, hedging gets to the point of &lt;br&gt; betting all the numbers on a roulette wheel, to be sure you &amp;quot;can&#39;t
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  <author>
  <name>dapperdobbs</name>
  <email>george...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T02:55:47Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  On Jul 28, 8:08 am, &amp;quot;HW \&amp;quot;Skip\&amp;quot; Weldon&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m going with a 2.5% annual on average, but will try to make system- &lt;br&gt; specific estimates so I can get a schedule. I didn&#39;t buy too much &lt;br&gt; house. Instinctively, I got no more than what I needed and wanted, so &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m not sinking, but it is disconcerting to see that dressing it up
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  <name>dapperdobbs</name>
  <email>george...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T02:35:53Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  Yes.
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  <name>dumbstruck</name>
  <email>dumbst...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-29T00:45:53Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  By the way, this topic applies to stock fund insurance, not bond. &lt;br&gt; I find the terminology of options so confusing that I was hoping that &lt;br&gt; a fund could prepackage sort of a blackbox version of it that &lt;br&gt; implements &amp;quot;options for dummies&amp;quot;. But I guess you&#39;re saying there is &lt;br&gt; no obvious killer strategy that you could expect the fund to
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  <author>
  <name>dapperdobbs</name>
  <email>george...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-07-28T23:58:50Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  The basic principles = simple puts and calls on equities. All of this &lt;br&gt; is explained in detail with examples in any good options book. &lt;br&gt; Hedges cost money.The &#39;tail risk&#39; is simply a fancy way of saying &#39;low &lt;br&gt; probability;&amp;quot; it will not limit your upside any more than buying a put &lt;br&gt; will, unless the cost of the put is paid by selling a covered call,
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  <author>
  <name>Igor Chudov</name>
  <email>ichu...@algebra.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-28T23:01:55Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  Dumbstruck &lt;br&gt; I am assuming that you would be buying insurance on Pimco bond funds. &lt;br&gt; Paying a very small fraction of your portfolio in order to sleep &lt;br&gt; better, seems like a good idea on the surface. However, one question &lt;br&gt; lingers in my mind: if a catastrophe struck so that very safe bonds, &lt;br&gt; that you are insuring, plunge in value to such extreme extent, from
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  <author>
  <name>dumbstruck</name>
  <email>dumbst...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-28T21:33:27Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Black Swan Insurance?</title>
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  I wonder if the tail risk hedge will make you limited on the upside as &lt;br&gt; well as the downside. I&#39;m not so concerned with Pimco&#39;s particular &lt;br&gt; implementation, but in what new opportunities are being provided to &lt;br&gt; retail investors. Several articles suggest a wave of offerings are &lt;br&gt; imminent, like &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=a0tbiS7HfS60&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <author>
  <name>HW Skip Weldon</name>
  <email>skip5700removet...@yahoo.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-28T12:08:41Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:04:52 -0500, JoeTaxpayer &lt;br&gt; At the outset (see above) this thread was focused on the financial &lt;br&gt; planning aspects of home ownership. Lately it has focused on home &lt;br&gt; maintenance details. &lt;br&gt; In an attempt to swing the comments back to financial planning, I will &lt;br&gt; restate something I have maintained for years.
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  <author>
  <name>Wallace</name>
  <email>pleasenos...@microsoft.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2010-07-28T09:15:21Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  the one you buy.
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  <author>
  <name>dapperdobbs</name>
  <email>george...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2010-07-28T00:59:40Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: Help a dunce with real estate</title>
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  Appliances are not designed to last as long, these days. It&#39;s hard to &lt;br&gt; &#39;talk house&#39; without specifics, so I&#39;ll do one. A girlfriend in L.A. &lt;br&gt; once saw a chambers gas stove in a second-hand shop, cheap. She wanted &lt;br&gt; it, though it weighed like 400 lbs. (iron, chrome). It was built in &lt;br&gt; the 1930&#39;s and had safety valves so children couldn&#39;t activate the
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